Who would win Saitama or Bec Noir

Lord English vs Zeedmilleniummon


Vs.

Rules:

1. Lord english vs Zeedmilleniummon (homestuck vs digimon)

2. Battle takes place in the cosmos of a neutral universe.

3. Fight to the death

4. both sides are bloodlusted

5. no prep and no knowledge of each other.

6. Both are at their peak

7. Year is 3000 A.D

Bonus: can lord english solo the digimon universe.

will Zeedmilleniummon gain another victory or will he finally meet his match.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh.

This is hard? I don't really know Zeed, but I do know Lord English.

For one, Lord English is Oom stronger than Bec Noir, who with the red miles destroyed a Universe Frog, which in actuality, held every infinite possibility and timeline of that universe, functionally making it a multiverse.

Lord English as well also was sitting dead center in a place where Reality was breaking down and wasn't actually harmed by it, including being sucked into the blackhole with the mass and size of two universes.

Ontop of that Lord English upon appearance rigs the timeline to his favor, anyone deviating away from it gets hit by the ban hammer by Paradox Space to die at some point, making them doomed and part of a doomed timeline. (Not really relevant here)

I'm not sure how to exactly place Lord English really? I don't want to use Spacebattles wonky tiering, but he's above Multiversal at the very least.

Have this where he shattered a dream bubble (Functionally an infinite plane) and than shattered reality in the furthest ring, where he also bodies and slaughters the beings who make those dream bubbles like they were cattle.


EDIT: Let me grab the quote for shattering the furthest ring.
He is capable of shattering the 'essence of all encompassing nothingness' that makes up the Furtherst Ring itself.
VRISKA: This is what a map looks like in the furthest ring.
VRISKA: This is what ALL maps look like out here.
VRISKA: Turns out plotting the relative geographical features of an infinite 8lack expanse of pure void is every 8it as moronic as it sounds. 8ut that didn't stop some ancient eldritch chucklefuck from doing exactly that.
VRISKA: For the longest time, this is all we've had to go on when it came to deciphering the clues and figuring out the coordin8tes of the legendary treasure.
VRISKA: Do you have any idea how hard it is to pin down the physical location of something out here? Never mind the fact that physical location in the furthest ring is already a mallea8le concept. Just imagine what it's like giving someone directions! What do you tell them?
VRISKA: Proceed in a str8 line shaped like a perpetually shifting torus knot until you feel a sense of despair transcending all mortal comprehension, then hang a right at the next octopus?
VRISKA: There's nothing static out there. No landmarks, no points of reference. Nothing!
VRISKA: If you want to make any headway in this gr8 8ig field of fuckall, SOMEONE has got to start wrecking some shit.
JOHN: would that someone be you?
VRISKA: Haha. I wish I had that kind of firepower. 8ut no.

VRISKA: You wouldn't 8elieve my luck.
VRISKA: You see, recently someone's 8een doing that dirty work for us.
VRISKA: Want to know what the kicker is?

VRISKA: The guy who's 8een fucking shit up is the 8ig 8ad himself!
VRISKA: Every time he destroys another dream 8u88le, he does a little more damage to the furthest ring, inexplica8ly shattering the essence of all-encompassing nothingness.
VRISKA: As the cracks spread across the void, new points of reference show up on our maps!
VRISKA: Then we look at the angles and intersections and all the shapes formed 8y the cracks, and compare them to our notes from the various riddles and clues we've discovered a8out the path to the treasure.
VRISKA: It's actually a little like how in old times on Alternia, pir8s used to navig8 8y shapes the stars made. Constell8tions used to have a lot of significance in our culture, not just guiding explorers on their journeys to physical destin8tions, 8ut guiding them on the choices they made in life, pertaining to f8 and all that. Not that humans would really understand anything like that.
VRISKA: I actually find the situ8tion to 8e pretty funny. This guy's ego must 8e astronomical. Classic case of unchecked hu8ris paving the way for his own downfall.
VRISKA: I didn't even need to 8uild a we8 to trap him. He just went ahead and started 8uilding his own.
VRISKA: Talk a8out a lucky 8r8k!!!!!!!!
As normal, it gets hard to judge when Multiversal level characters are thrown at each other.
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhh.

This is hard? I don't really know Zeed, but I do know Lord English.

For one, Lord English is Oom stronger than Bec Noir, who with the red miles destroyed a Universe Frog, which in actuality, held every infinite possibility and timeline of that universe, functionally making it a multiverse.

Lord English as well also was sitting dead center in a place where Reality was breaking down and wasn't actually harmed by it, including being sucked into the blackhole with the mass and size of two universes.

Ontop of that Lord English upon appearance rigs the timeline to his favor, anyone deviating away from it gets hit by the ban hammer by Paradox Space to die at some point, making them doomed and part of a doomed timeline. (Not really relevant here)

I'm not sure how to exactly place Lord English really? I don't want to use Spacebattles wonky tiering, but he's above Multiversal at the very least.

Have this where he shattered a dream bubble (Functionally an infinite plane) and than shattered reality in the furthest ring, where he also bodies and slaughters the beings who make those dream bubbles like they were cattle.


As normal, it gets hard to judge when Multiversal level characters are thrown at each other.
what I know of him. Is that he can kill horrorterrors. What are they exactly.

I also know he killed Andrew Hussite. The author of homestuck. It was an avatar of him but still.

the guy is also Able to kill genesis frogs. Which are made up of multiple timelines. Which is considered multiversal.

I also heard but not sure if it’s true or not. That he can manipulate the narrative aka the plot of homestuck.
I really don't know who would win, both are very powerful reality-time-warping entities who can easily destroy multiverses, of whom are both incredibly hard to kill.
what I know of him. Is that he can kill horrorterrors. What are they exactly.

I also know he killed Andrew Hussite. The author of homestuck. It was an avatar of him but still.

the guy is also Able to kill genesis frogs. Which are made up of multiple timelines. Which is considered multiversal.

I also heard but not sure if it’s true or not. That he can manipulate the narrative aka the plot of homestuck.
Horrorterrors, well thats hard, let me go grab the quotes from the respect thread

The Noble Circle of Horrorterrors are a race of betentacled eldritch gods who inhabit the realm known as the Furthest Ring, which exists outside of reality

The Grimmorie of the Zoologically Dubious gives this description of the Horrorterrors
And of course there's OGLOGOTH, THE DEEP ONE. Whenever he grinds his teeth, all the children of a random galaxy somewhere will frown continuously for a nine thousand year span. He is the first and smallest of the SMALLER GODS, appointed in servitude of a vile, unfathomable pantheon of MIDDLING GODS which caters to the whims of the NOBLE CIRCLE OF HORRORTERRORS, an omniscient, omnipotent order of the elite few, forever cloaked in the darkness of the FURTHEST RING.
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This is however, likely an exaggeration, as they are not omnipotent at all.
They are however, beyond the emissary that can psychically nuke an entire galaxy of life.

They possess psychic powers which they use to, among other things, commune with Derse dreamers in their sleep and guide them to their own ends. They are also outside of the usual flow of time and can contact people from any timeline.

The Andrew Hussie thing isnt really relevant, as its mostly a meta thing that shows Lord English's control over the narrative, and as a feat outside of narrative shenanigans isn't that good, considering Hussie has no feats to speak off besides beating the shit out of a puppet named Doc Scratch.

He DOES manipulate the narrative of Homestuck, its why Paradox Space ban-hammers whoever doesn't follow his 'idea' exactly. Its also why hes an unbeatable boss in Homestuck, he bends the entire universe to his whims, he ignores the rules placed.

And yes, the Genesis Frog's are literal multiverses yes, and Lord English is vastly better than Bec Noir who destroyed one.
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I really don't know who would win, both are very powerful reality-time-warping entities who can easily destroy universes, of whom are both incredibly hard to kill.
I think maybe lord english wins. Simply due to the massive amount of hax. I picked him because he’s omnipresent just like Zeed. And like Zeed, they are both the Amongst the greatest threats of their verses.
Well, do you considered Lord English able to fight on par with COIE Anti-Mornitor?

Cause that is usually where Zeed put on.
Well, do you considered Lord English able to fight on par with COIE Anti-Mornitor?

Cause that is usually where Zeed put on.
Personally? Yeah, I would, from what I know of the Anti-Monitor, Lord English is beyond him, as he is a Multiversal level being yes? Lord English is Superior TO multiversal level beings, that being Bec Noir's Red Miles if that makes sense.

And I agree with Sirthinkalot, Lord English has an ungodly amount of hax stacked ontop of his absolutely bullshit amount of pure dakka.
-Time Travel
-Complete Immortality
-Can perma-kill souls and kill things "Normally beyond such things"
-etc
May I ask what that Hax specifically is? Lord English is no slouch when it comes to bullshit hax abilities.
probably his probability manipulation/fate manipulation.

the fact that he can kill you even if your dead.

And also his narrative manipulation.

he’s omnipresent just like zeed. Because he exists in every timeline.

I think he has more hax but because I don’t read homestuck. I have to use sources from websites dealing with power levels and stuff.

I need a true homestuck fan to help me out here a bit.
probably his probability manipulation/fate manipulation.

the fact that he can kill you even if your dead.

And also his narrative manipulation.

he’s omnipresent just like zeed. Because he exists in every timeline.

I think he has more hax but because I don’t read homestuck. I have to use sources from websites dealing with power levels and stuff.

I need a true homestuck fan to help me out here a bit.
I'm asking about Zeed my dude, I know Lord English.
Edit: Did you not see my two massive posts about Homestuck? I love that damn webcomic.
I'm asking about Zeed my dude, I know Lord English.
oh sorry. Well he has space time manipulation just like lord english.

and he can destroy multiverses just like him.

but I don’t remember Zeed having any probability manipulation or Fate manipulation like lord english.

And I don’t think Zeed has narrative manipulation like english

both are acasual I think.
Millenniumon


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  • "Knocked down" is basically the same as "is said to be impossible to defeat" from his DRB, which was also stated in the Xros Wars manga with him being "an undefeatable Digimon". It's just stated oddly, or translated badly.
Card blurbs


-He caused the Digital World's time axis to slip, creating an entirely new timeline. This allowed already defeated Digimon to revive. After his defeat, they recombined (at least from what I remember).

Ajora's translation




-He was powerful enough to warp the very essence of time itself, then destroy it.

Ajora's translations



-Although he died in his initial battle, he returned to life shortly thereafter.


-Splits the Digital World into two. Presumably with not much difficulty.

Ajora's translations

  • Now this feat requires some explanation. When he split the Digital World, it caused it to be doubled. The elements copied over, apparently creating a new Digital World. Taichi turned into stone because he was trapped between worlds (expelled from the timeline, the space between worlds). Some people believe he only split the planet, but when he did this, it basically created a copy of the Digital World, and it can be reconnected for a split second, before the worlds split again. Plus, he likely used his "Dimension Destroyer", which clearly has space-time properties.

    According to Ajora, you have to travel through a "dimensional rift" to travel between the worlds and what not.
-His second defeat, death and return of the dark seed implanted Ken. According to Millenniumon, he can not die because his dark power is eternal.

Ajora's translations


-He can manipulate time with thoughts alone.

  • This should include any form of Mille.
-States that he can blast Ryo "beyond" time.

  • It's likely that he literally meant beyond time itself. Moon created an explosion that allowed Ryo and himself exceed the space-time continuum, so Mille being able to perform such feats isn't surprising. Even normal Mille was able to split the Digital World into two, trapping Taichi between worlds (likely considered outside space-time).
-According to Ajora (the one who has been translating the stuff for the WonderSwan games), Millenniumon's malevolent aura (time-warping and what not) apparently created Apocalymon (stated in his D-1 profile).
  • Millenniumon should be comparable or beyond Apocalymon based on that alone. Apocalymon is universal+ to low-multiversal, he can manipulate an infinite dimension of darkness, which deletes everything, warp space-time with his existence, etc.
-Ryo and Mille were effectively one and the same, sharing the same power, they were flipsides of the same coin, light and darkness, and neither could exist without the other. That's why only Ryo stood any chance against him. As long he is near, defeating Mille is possible, but not permanently without something like force jogress (Brave Tamer gets more into this).












Credit to Ajora for translations

Xros Wars (manga)


  • When DarkKnightmon said that this is the "reincarnation of Mille, who ruled the ancient Digital World", it's possible that it's referring to Ryo's.

  • This Mille is different from the past, which was said to have intelligence (and if talking about Ryo's, that is indeed true - Ryo's Mille had intelligence and when he finally became Zeed, he became extremely cunning).

According to legend, Mille is an undefeatable Digimon that can regenerate and multiply infinitely.


Credit to Garmmon and Nez for translations
  • The Mille in the manga was most likely weaker than the one in the WS games. The one in the games has better overall feats, and has intelligence. However, you can argue that this Mille has the potential to be as powerful, but since this one has been swallowed by madness, it cannot fully utilize his abilities.

  • Omega Shoutmon and ZekeGreymon (they both should be in the planetary-range) couldn't kill Mille because of its ability to regenerate and multiply infinitely. So they had to knock it into digital space, which is between Zones. While in digital space, data is slowly deleted. However, due to his level of power and what not, Mille wouldn't be affected.
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-Evilness beyond limits of time!

-As you would know as well, there will be a massive chaos - literally, a MASSIVE chaos if Millenniumon appeared in the Digital World.

-Millenniumon uses extra dimensional space created by compressed time to imprison the target for good.

-Millenniumon self destructs the spaces of compressed time to exterminate everything in sight.
  • This stuff should be usable for composite.
Moon Millenniumon


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Within his inner world, Moon Millenniumon can control everything that happens.






The strongest and worst Digimon is trying to revive. No one, including the Four Holy Beasts, can defeat him. Only Ryo stands a chance.


Mille/Moon is "a random element" in the world that makes the "impossible possible".


Ryo and Mille were effectively one and the same, sharing the same power, they were flipsides of the same coin, light and darkness, and neither could exist without the other. That's why only Ryo stood any chance against him. As long he is near, defeating Mille is possible, but not permanently without something like force jogress (Brave Tamer gets more into this).











Moon created an explosion, exceeding the space-time continuum, which sends Ryo to the far past, the past of all the Digital Worlds, the single point from which they branched out from. And Moon somewhere in the far future, becoming ZeedMille.